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Becoming a Spin Instructor: Sarah Pelc Graca

Guest: Sarah Pelc Graca

Podcast Release Date: 4/7/2021


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Steve Washuta: Welcome to the Trulyfit podcast. I’m your host Steve Washuta, co-founder of Trulyfit and author of Fitness Business 101. On today’s podcast, I speak with Sarah Pelc Graca. Sarah is a nutrition coach. She was actually named one of the top 10 weight loss coaches to watch in 2021 by Yahoo Finance. She’s a certified personal trainer and she’s also a spin instructor.

That’s what we’re going to be talking about: spin classes and becoming a spin instructor. What to expect this podcast is for either of these three demographics one: you are already a spin instructor, two you’re thinking about becoming a spin instructor, or three, you just want to take a spin class, she gives us the tips and tricks and nuances and insights into a spin. You can find her at that’s Sarah with an H. With no further ado, here are Sarah and I talking spin! Sarah, thanks for joining the Trulyfit podcast. Why don’t you give the listeners a background on your fitness life what you do in fitness now and who you are?

Sarah Pelc Graca: Awesome. Well, welcome. Thank you for having me, first of all, my name is Sarah Pelc Graca. And I am a certified personal trainer, certified indoor cycling instructor and nutrition coach. So I do a couple different things I guess for life right now, obviously, I am. I own a nutrition coaching business, which is what I do most of the time, full time. But I also teach indoor cycling at cycle bar, and I have been teaching indoor cycling for now geez, almost 10 years. And I absolutely love it. And for me personally, I find the balance of doing one on one coaching with my nutrition business, mixed with the group vibe of indoor cycling just really puts me in a happy place and a really happy balance of getting to help people in different ways.

Steve Washuta : Well, because you’re a personal trainer, and you work in nutrition, and you do cycling, there’s a host of things that we can talk about here. I’m sure we could talk forever. But we’re obviously going to center this around just spin classes in cycling. I think it’s going to be great for both people who want to know more about spinning and cycling, and then also instructors who either do it, or they’re thinking about doing it, and want to know the perks of being a spin instructor and what it all entails. So let’s just maybe first start from the top. What is it like to teach a spin class? Give me like a day by day you walk in the class? How does your class start you setting the music? What’s what are your first steps?

Sarah Pelc Graca : Great question. The first step actually starts way before the class in planning out the playlist in the music. So again, teaching at Cyclebar we are very much a rhythm ride, meaning that we ride the beat of the music. So the beat of the music is what dictates what we’re doing. For me, that is one of the best parts about teaching indoor cycling is being the DJ and putting together the newest hottest latest hits, and then throwing it back to a 1970 song. And then really putting that variety from pop music to country to rap to trying to hit all the different genres to help engage the writer so that they never really know what’s going to be next on her playlist.

This is so fun. Like, oh, I forgot about this song. So well before the class at least 24 hours before I have that playlist set so that I know exactly what we’re doing but of course, I don’t want the riders to know that till we’re in the moment. So fast forward to the time of the class fast forward, arrive at the studio, put on cycling shoes so that I’m safely clipped into the bike, get my bike set up safely, which is also super important.

I’m engaged with the riders, that is again, another reason why I love teaching is getting to know my riders, which is been a little different now with COVID-19 that it looked a little different, but you know about a year ago looked a little different, but really trying to engage with writers and then we get on the bike we get clipped in and we do the thing.

Steve Washuta : Awesome. I’ve you know, I haven’t taken that many different spin classes I want to say in my life, maybe 10 or 12. I’d say half of those were at like conferences, where you know, you’re just trying out a little bit of everything but at the conferences, it’s so great because you have the top spin instructors and you have like you know Schwinn Master Trainer coming out to do these different things and you get to see their energy and how they put how they shape a class.

Like you said first getting the music correct. Then getting like the verbiage correct and shaping all that stuff and I know from my small experience, the instructor really matters in a good class can you speak to like why it’s important to be a Like, do everything you can to be a top-level instructor and do more than you would admit, let’s say another class.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Absolutely. So I think when it comes to teaching cycling, there are a couple different components as an instructor that you have to, have to embody. And the first is clear communication. And you have to be sure you tell your writers, what they’re going to do with enough time to do it.

What I mean by that is, you can’t just tell people sprint go or, you know, add resistance go or out of the saddle go, like, you have to give them a little bit of warning, but at the same time, you also have to have that element of motivator and cheerleader, and you have to really be able to share why the writers do this, not just what they’re doing. But why it’s important from a health standpoint, but also for so many people. You know, in a spin class, that is their 30, or 45 minute or one hour break, where it’s fully focused on them, and it’s not recurring, the kids are ill. So I think it’s important to obviously, we have structure, being able to share, you know, the physical drill components, but also being able to motivate your writers, so that they push themselves to,

Steve Washuta : yeah, I think as, as any group instructor, and this also, you know, plays into spin instructors, it’s important to start each class, if not teach the whole class as if nobody has ever done it before. And I think the people, the people who don’t do that and miss out, and they don’t, they don’t ingrain that into their day to day and they forget to do that. And then, they really do not create a good experience for people because I can tell you that my wife is somebody who loves spin classes.

She had brought her friends to a spin class that she thought was going to be great. And lo and behold, the spin instructor basically didn’t use any of the jargon or parlance and explained to them, this is what this means, right? What does the second position mean? What does this you know, if you don’t, if you don’t explain to everybody, as if they’ve never been into a class before, there’s going to potentially be one person in there who hasn’t been in that class before, and they’re not going to enjoy it. And that, that’s just going to send bad vibes everywhere. So make sure you start each class as if this is everybody’s first class.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Absolutely, especially if the bike that you’re writing on has an odometer with multiple numbers on it, because I know, for example, at cycle bar, we will talk about RPMs and the gear number. Probably a good I don’t even know seven to eight different pieces of information you can look at at your rate if you aren’t aware that you have a new rider in your class, and you start talking about RPMs and resistance and power. And you’ve not explained that that poor person is going to be overwhelmed and lost.

Steve Washuta : Overwhelmed is a great word. And just think about yourself. First of all, anything in fitness nowadays, because it’s everywhere. Can there’s a lot of insecurities people have right so they’re already kind of worried about walking into the fitness class and being judged and not being as good. So you have somebody imagined brand new walking into a class, maybe it’s their first fitness class ever. And they’re already worried and concerned.

Now they have to look at all these different things, the odometer, and know-how to clip in and what’s first position and the second position, you have to make sure that you’re working to that person more than you’re working to the person who knows everything about it right? If you should be good enough eventually right as an instructor to cater to everybody right to have a class where you have people who have been there for three years and people who have been there for three minutes. But if you’re not there yet, if you’re not on that level where you can work with everybody you know, my advice, not as a spin instructor because I’m not but as a group fitness instructor is always playing towards the person who’s never been there.

Sarah Pelc Graca : I agree. And something that I love to share with my riders, like you said, whether they are veterans and event to 1000 spin classes, or whether this is their first is to remind them that I am the guide. But this is your ride and you have ownership over your bike if you need to do something different than I’m saying today. I’m just giving suggestions like you know, if you especially new writers if they need to take a seat and drop some gear to catch their breath or you know, be if you’re sitting at home on the couch.

And that’s what counts is that you know, you keep going, whatever that means to you today. And I think as instructors, that’s really something we can share with our writers because even as someone that does this all the time and I haven’t for years, I still have the days they get on the bike, and it just feels so hard and maybe my best on the hard days is very different than my best on the strong days. But I think really reminding writers at all points in their journey, whether they’re newbies or veterans that you know, this might feel a little different today and just honor whatever your body needs today.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, yeah, that’s a great point. And you know, so we talked about the instructors and a little bit about what people can expect, who are going to classes. Let’s talk about the different entities that could be involved in a spin class. And what I mean by that is, I’ve been to some spin classes where there was like, a projector up, and they were showing videos, I’ve been to spin classes where the lights were off, I’ve been to spin classes where there was like, rows of people, and there was like, 40 people, or there was three, tell me about all the different ways in which a spin class can be run that to make them unique.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Totally. So it really comes down to Well, there’s a lot of things that come into play. And obviously, you know, Steve, as we’re having this conversation, right now, we’re still in the middle of the covid 19 pandemics. So, where I teach it cycle bar, we used to have 47 bikes, so it was pretty, you know, it was three rows, it was a very long studio. I’ll be honest, the bikes were, you had your space, but they were relatively close together.

But that also gave a vibe and energy that Words can’t describe, you could feel the person next to you not sweating, but like, their energy when they worked hard, pushed you to work hard. Well, now, of course, you know, we’re mixed up, we’re six feet apart. So we’re down to, I think it’s 16 or 17 bikes, but that’s, um, it, it’s changed it, but it hasn’t changed if that makes sense.

So I think, for all spin classes, and again, you know, with COVID, things are going to look different wherever you live based on regulations, but expect that there will be a good number of people probably in the class safely. But um, yes, you know, at cycle bar, we have a race board, which is another fun element of the class. So all the bikes are numbered, you know what bike number you’re on when you sign up. And we run different races throughout the class.

And of course, the goal is you can have a friendly competition among the other writers. But sometimes we can put the board where the whole class works as a team or we can make it left side of the room or right side of the room or even vice versa for competitions to really create that team. camaraderie, which is such a fun part of the set, hit the nail on the head, we make the studio nice, and dark lights are on us instructor so you can see what you’re doing.

You can see your bike and be safe. But it gives that element of anonymity. If any writers are concerned about what I don’t know what others might think of me, or how I look, you know, the lights are dark on you, but it gives it a whole fun. I want to say nightclub vibe on the bike if that makes sense.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, totally. And I think because you’re only on one piece of equipment, you have to have all those other variables to shake things up. Right? So you need the good instructor, you need cool lighting, you need to make sure that you’re you know, you’re the instructor is also not only giving directions but like you said, Really pumping their client up, right or the that people up or at least telling them hey, you’re here for you don’t be concerned about what anyone else is doing and making them feel, you know, calm and comfortable.

This is their first time in the class, you need all those things as opposed to like, so you know, I teach tr x classes. To me, it’s so easy to teach a good TRS class because I can do endless things with this strap, right? I can do any exercise, I can work for any muscle group, I can get super creative. But when you’re on a bike, right, there’s, there’s only so many things you can do. So you have to be able to use your personality and shape the class around the people who are they’re not just around all the different things you can do

Sarah Pelc Graca : 100% especially when you’re on a bike that’s not moving. Yeah, yeah. You know, it’s not even like an outdoor bike. We’re not going anywhere. Yeah, so absolutely, you have to really, I’m going to use the word curate, you have to curate that class to your writers.

You have to be able to read your writers and what they mean when I say are they keeping up with me? Do I need to kind of as an instructor, maybe scale back if they kind of appear to be struggling if they can’t quite do the speed or the resistance that I’m pushing for? Or are they a group of a little bit more advanced riders that maybe have been riding with me weekly for a couple years and cool, I’m going to throw some fun races on the board because I know there is a group that can handle it.

Steve Washuta : I think those races are cool. I think having that dynamic. I know that I’ll spice things up like that with my group fitness classes sometimes where you know, they it’s healthy competition, but you’ll have some sort of competition going on. And you’ll split the class up or at least we’ll say like, Alright, half the class is going to start on the floor doing these exercises and half the class is going to start on to extra nice exercises and you switch back and forth and it creates that camaraderie and you have to get creative and I think, you know, speaking getting a little bit off-topic here.

But speaking to general group fitness, it’s sometimes much harder to host An hour of a group fitness class than it is an hour of personal training? Because not only do you have so many different bodies in that room who all may need something different, they’re still expecting almost personal trainer level attention, right nowadays, because they’re almost paying for it, you’re rarely going to find the $7 class anymore, especially if you’re in a big city, right? So these people are paying 15 2025. I know classes that charge $35. Right. So that’s sometimes that’s something that’s sometimes 60% of what you would pay for a personal training session. So because they expect more, you have to be on.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Yeah. So yeah, totally. And you have to be prepared for the unexpected, in the sense of you have to be prepared, almost like you said earlier about preparing for a new person. And again, this is getting off-topic, because the cycle bar is very joint-friendly, or you know, indoor cycling is very low impact friendly on the joints. But any other group fitness, you have to be prepared that someone’s going to come with a shoulder injury, somebody is going to come and need modifications for squats or burpees. Or, you know, you have to have that thinking cap on to be prepared for modifications.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, totally. I have a passage in my book, Fitness Business 101 that talks about that. And it’s important that you have a plan going into something, whether it’s a group fitness class, like a spin class, or whether it’s a personal training session, but you’re also ready for those curveballs and how you limit those curveballs that are really going to throw you for a loop is to do exactly what you said. Have your music pre-planned. Have a routine in mind. Be ready for both veterans of the class and newbies show up early.

Assess all the equipment, right check the bikes, because if you don’t do all of that stuff, you’re sitting down and before you know and someone goes, Oh, my pedals broke. What do I do? Right? Or Oh, this handlebar is not adjusting properly. I forgot my spin shoes. What do I do? So just get there early and be prepared for curveballs? Yes, yes. Yes, I can’t, I can’t recommend that enough. So tell us a little bit about how, how the structure works? Is there are people buying packages for classes? are they buying individual classes? Does it matter? A big difference on that? Do you? Do you ever have anybody who actually asked to train one on one because there may be nervous about joining the class? 

Sarah Pelc Graca : Oh, that’s such a great question. Really? Good question. Okay, so in terms of packages, and again, I’m just speaking to cycle bar. And two, I live in Michigan, so if any listeners live in Michigan, cycle bar is a franchise. So this is for my particular cycle bar. But I’m pretty sure all of them operate pretty similarly. So we offer lots of different options, kind of really looking to cater to the writer. So just want to try one class or, you know, if you’re not quite sure if Cycling is your thing, that’s okay, come try this out, you can just purchase one class, nothing more than that. We offer class cards, meaning five-class cards 10 class cards, 20 class cards, obviously, the more as you buy, the cheaper each class becomes.

And then we also offer different types of recurring memberships. And I think this is something that we do that’s different than other indoor fitness or group fitness, which is pretty cool. We actually offer a four-pack month package and then a monthly unlimited. So you know, some people love to complement cycle bar with yoga, okay, well, great. Maybe they want to come to us once a week, that four-month package, package rate would be great for them. Or maybe they only come twice a week. So the eight rides a month, it’d be great for them, or obviously, we have the diehards that we know and love, who do monthly unlimited calm much more often. So we try to work with all types of athletes because I believe anyone that comes to us as an athlete, depending on how often they’re looking for that intense cardio workout.

Steve Washuta : That’s great. Yeah. I mean, the more packages you can offer, the more people you’re going to get, right? Because everyone has different lifestyles and, and sort of timeframes in which they can make a class or not make a class I want to ask you now about spin certifications. I don’t want to get into the weeds here. But as far as training where you are, can you just be a certified personal trainer and go there and get taught by other instructors. So they expect you to have a spin certification. Did they do something where they let you shadow other instructors? How exactly does it work?

Sarah Pelc Graca : Great question. And a lot of it is through an audition process. So obviously, um, you know, I can’t speak from the corporate level because they’re the ones who approve everyone and I am definitely only They would absolutely This is my own personal. Let me say that this is my own personal belief, I would probably recommend just so you’re aware of how the body works before teaching probably any type of group fitness, but at cycle bar, they do it based on audition. So about actually positive what the current rules like current rules are, I think now it’s maybe they want to see you doing recording, they’ll record your teaching, I believe two or three different songs, they’ll send that on to corporate, we’ll give feedback.

And then if you move through, they have an intense boot camp, they call it a boot camp training that all new instructors come through to be certified to be sure you know how to safely not only teach a class but also set people up on a bike. Um, you know, they really talk about again, like we had mentioned, not only the tangibles of the class, how to teach gears and RPMs, but also the motivation. And that is one thing I really want, like, commend cycle bar onze is available to us as instructors.

I mean, again, I’ve been doing this for eight years and the number of training videos and resources that I still get to continue to want to become a better instructor. And, you know, Hey, have you guys thought about doing this, or let’s talk about different songs that are fun for this, or they’re always pushing us to learn and grow and become better. And I think that’s invaluable, not only for indoor cycling, but for any type of group.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, it’s always, it’s always great to make sure that from the top down corporate, everybody is trying to advance and trying to help people learn and giving you a sort of continuing education, whether that’s free or not, of course, it’s always better if it’s free. To get better. I think, you know, now, I’m going to speak for people. But I do believe this is just my, my guess here, my hypothesis is that, as we start to break out of this pandemic, as far as the restriction, slowly, you’re going to see people who really want to get back out there into the classrooms, right? once they find it to be safe, because we missed that interaction, I can tell you, as a trainer, I miss being on the floor with other trainers interacting with my peers.

And I know just from talking to people, that people miss being in the classroom, they miss the energy and Miss other people. And there, they’re going to want to go back out there. So I think, you know, talking to instructors, or potential instructors who are listening to this, this is the time get ready, there’s going to be an explosion of people if you think you want to be an instructor, but a spin instructor especially you better get on it now, because there’s probably going to be an explosion of group fitness. So

Sarah Pelc Graca : I absolutely agree with you. 100%. I think, you know, to any potential people out there that want to become it like you said, it’s going to I, I envisioned bounce back more than we all even realize, I think, as you said, you hit the nail on the head, people are craving human interaction. And after a year of having at-home workouts, people are craving workouts out of the house as well.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, and you know, everyone talks to the scalability of online is great. Yeah, that’s great. But I think what gets lost sometimes, is not only the human interaction, which we talked about but understanding who is really good at what they do because there is no faking it when you’re in that class. And it makes you such a good instructor when you’re put on the spot. When you’re working one on one with someone online.

Let’s say nobody has any idea if you’re doing the right things, except you and that other person and if you can convince them, you’re doing the right thing. You feel great about yourself. And maybe that’s what you need. But if you want to challenge yourself and you want to be good, you have to put yourself through those semis however cheesy this sounds fearful situations, sit on up like in front of, you know, 47 people and get going and that’s how you learn. And that’s how you become a better instructor.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Absolutely, absolutely any motion mind me if something else is any, possibly people wanting to become instructors, I kind of hit this earlier when I talked about the motivation, but something that I find too, that’s so rewarding is being human to our riders, or if you’re teaching any other group fitness classes, being human to your participants in your class and reminding them I don’t want to say about your own struggles, but like talking to them, and about Hey, like, you know, this is hard for me to at times are just really reminding people that we’re no different than they are, I think is also a very important element of, obviously a cycling class but also any group fitness class.

Steve Washuta : Totally. Yeah, you’re right, that that exactly speaks to what we touched on before you just have to assume these people are a little nervous walking into class, right? If you’re nervous teaching it and you might have taught it for eight years, right? Where I’ve taught TRS for 10 years, you’re, you have to imagine that a lot of these people are nervous. This is not what they’re experts at, they have their peers watching them. And you know, people have insecurities. And you have to, you have to bond with your clients or your customers, whatever you want to call them, the people who come into that class and make them feel as comfortable as possible. Number one, if you want them to come back, it’s important that they feel comfortable. But number two, it’s just from a human interaction standpoint, make them feel welcome.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Totally. And I think it’s going to be as you were saying earlier with this boom that we both think is going to happen with in person group fitness. I think if anything, people are going to be a little bit more worried if they’re newbies and first timers, because they’ve been at home for a year. And because you know, maybe they’ve developed some not so great habits over the year, and they’re not comfortable in their own body. Or maybe they’re worried because they just haven’t been around other people. And do I want to go into a group fitness class with 30 strangers or even now 10 strangers if I’ve just haven’t, you know, we’ve all been home. And so I think being even more welcoming, and oh,

Steve Washuta : great point. I think too, there’s, you know, there’s a tendency for people in the personal training world, I should say, just the health and fitness world, whether you are a spin instructor, a personal trainer, or whether you’re just a, like a health enthusiast, to surround yourself virtually with everybody else who does that. So we live in this bubble. But this bubble might be big, because it encompasses the entire world. But it’s the entire world of people who are only fitness enthusiasts and you forget, there’s a lot of people in this pandemic, who number one lost a lot of money, whether it’s a personal business, or they got fired or laid off, and they still had bills to pay.

And guess fitness, even if it was it, let’s say not primary, but secondary or tertiary in their life, it might have just not been there. And there’s a lot of people who went down just a bad path who aren’t fitness people like us, and they ate themselves and drink themselves into a bad place. So, so, so be ready, like you said exactly was a great point that when we come out of this, you might have a lot of new people in your classes. And you might have a lot of people who are in bad shape now, right. And you have to be worried about those injuries and issues as we sort of break out of the, the restrictions of the pandemic.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Totally. And something I think to touch upon there is that Michigan right now, we still have a mask mandate. And so we’re also wearing masks while doing indoor cycling, you know, or we are allowed to wear face shields as well, which helps a little bit more with the readability. But I do know that in you know, the first couple weeks where we reopened and returned to teaching, that was something as an instructor I was very mindful of is even though I’ve got now a room of maybe I know eight of the 10 writers and they’re veterans, we all myself included need to get used to doing a cardio workout while wearing a mask, which takes it to a whole new level for myself, too.

And so I think, you know, I don’t know how long that’s going to be for all of us. So I think that’s again, another thing as instructors that are listening to this podcast to be mindful of is those types of things are what to be mindful of when we’re all getting back to in the studios. It’s just, you know, everything is a little different now. So be, like you mentioned earlier, see be able to read the room know, when people are doing well, and you can push them a little harder, but also be able to read maybe when people need a little break.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, good. Good point. And actually, I, you know, I can tell you my own experience, just having been stuck indoors and doing a lot of indoor workouts. I haven’t done a lot of cardio. And the reason being is that it’s been cold until very recently, we talked about that off the podcast, you know where I am right now. It started to maybe warm up the last month or so. But there was a very unusual cold stent that came through Oklahoma where I am. So there wasn’t a lot of cardio going on in my life.

And I went on my first run like a week ago. And I’m somebody who’s like built to run I have that like, I’m six foot 175 I’m like, I am very fast. I’m just I have like anatomically I’m like built to be a runner, but it crushed me and I was not ready. I could only imagine trying to teach a group fitness class being in that sort of cardiovascular shape. I wouldn’t be able to speak while I was riding a bike so I’m sure that’s another whole thing to worry about.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so if there is anyone I know you encourage people if they’ve wanted to become spin instructors, the first thing I would recommend is to get those cardio workouts and now to be able to build up the endurance because that is one thing that makes indoor cycling so different than so many other forms of group fitness is that as instructors, I’m with my writers what I tell them to do on the bike. I’m up there doing the exact same thing to myself too. So I think Yeah, you know, that is definitely a thing.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, yeah, there’s a lot of different fitness classes where, for instance, like yoga, it varies. I have some yoga teachers who demonstrate every move, I have some who walk around, some will do a combination of that. But I’ve certainly been in fitness classes before where they demo the move real quick, one time, and then they just walk around, right. So there, they don’t have to necessarily be in great shape, they could even be injured, and still, run the class.

Whereas if you’re a spin instructor, you’re expected to be on that bike working as hard as everyone else if not harder. Totally, totally. So let the listeners know where they can find more information. Both if a personal trainer or a potential instructor wants to get more information where they can contact you directly, maybe. And then for anybody else who’s just a health enthusiast who wants to use your services.

Sarah Pelc Graca : Awesome. So if any other trainers are out there and want to learn more about teaching, you can either find me personally at strongwiththatSarah on Instagram, send me a message, I’d be happy to chat with you. Um, there are cycle bars all over the country. So if you’re really gung ho about wanting to teach, find a local cyclebar to where you live, start taking classes, talk to the instructors, we are a very welcoming crew. I know that local instructors would be happy to take you under your wing and show you the ropes and figure out if this is something you really might want.

Then for any other followers that are listening to this that want to either maybe you are a newbie and you have questions before you take a cycling class again, at strongwiththatSarah, send me a message. Any Michigan writers come to cyclebar Northville. You’ll see my name is Sarah on the schedule, I would love to meet you guys in person. Try a class. Maybe what I recommend, though, I will be honest, try at least two or three classes with different instructors, just like anything in life, I don’t recommend trying just one indoor cycling class. You might hate it. Because like anything in life, it takes a couple different classes, different instructors to find your own groove and to start to understand what’s going on.

Steve Washuta : That’s great information. So thank you very much for being with us and all the information and hopefully, we’ll talk soon about something different in the future. 

Sarah Pelc Graca : Sounds great, Steve, thanks so much for having me. I enjoyed it.

Steve Washuta: Thanks for joining us on the Trulyfit podcast. Please subscribe, rate, and review on your listening platform. Feel free to email us as we’d love to hear from you.

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