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Guest: Rebecca Washuta

Release Date: 7/21/2024

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Steve Washuta : Welcome to Trulyfit. Welcome to the Trulyfit podcast where we interview experts in fitness and health to expand our wisdom and wealth. I’m your host, Steve Washuta. Co Founder of Trulyfit and author of Fitness Business 101.  

Steve Washuta : Rebecca, welcome to the Tulyfit podcast. These episodes are always fun. For my listeners, quick housekeeping here. Sometimes on Mondays I do an interview episode, where it’s me interviewing an expert in the fitness or health related area.

Steve Washuta : And then sometimes on Mondays I do these episodes with my sister, who’s a licensed dietitian, and we go over things that are trending in the health in the fitness and the nutrition space. But for those who haven’t heard who you are, and your background, just give a brief intro.

Rebecca Washuta : Yeah, thanks for having me. These are always fun episodes to do. So again, Rebecca Washuta. I’m a licensed dietitian, I have my own private practice in Miami Beach, and I specialize in metabolic health and weight loss.

Steve Washuta : If you are watching this episode, currently, as a reminder, you can listen to them. And if you’re listening to this episode, as a reminder, you can watch them so they’re on all the podcast platforms that you can imagine. And it’s also on YouTube, at least the Monday episodes not my Thursday solo episodes.

Steve Washuta : To start off here. Richard Simmons died. He was an absolute icon and a legend in fitness. What do you remember about him? Are you even old enough? I think it was at the end of my childhood where I sort of remembered him. But do you remember him as a child?

Rebecca Washuta :  For sure? Yeah, I remember probably seeing him on Oprah for the first time. You know, she was a big fan. And really, he was a legend. I think he was one of the first people who came up with the body positive movement, right with the way before it was cool. He was getting people off their butts and encouraging them to exercise and having fun.

Rebecca Washuta :  And you know, I think the other thing that really makes him stand out is he was very in tune with the emotional aspects of having physical weight, right. So sometimes, emotionally can manifest as physical weight. And he understood that and when he would work with people, you know, people would always be in tears, right?

Rebecca Washuta :  He would really try to guess we’re exercising, we’re having fun, but it was almost like therapy in a way. Right. And getting to the heart of like, what got you here and and really unpacking that. And I think that was really beautiful.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, and he was sort of before his time, as you you alluded to a little bit were in the 80s. And 90s was a it was the really big steroid era. And you know, you had the Arnold Schwarzenegger sort of look that people are trying to do this very bicep curl sort of era.

Steve Washuta : Richard Simmons did not look like that. Right. So he did not look at aerobics did it for health and happiness. They didn’t do it for aesthetics as much, right? At least, you know, it changes over time how people want to look right, women in the 50s, who had the ideal body type for women in the 50s is not the same as women in the 80s or 90s, or 2000s.

Steve Washuta : And same thing with men, right, it changes over time. But for him, it was about like you said a little bit more of an emotional. Yeah, just not just a physical and obviously less vanity and more about health, getting up off the couch doing something for yourself, not just about how you looked.

Steve Washuta : It was it’s weird to tie people to fitness when you think about it, like I tie Tony Horton to fitness because I sort of came up with him later on in life. And people tied like Chuck doors to fitness for some reason, because he just like sold all the equipment. But Richard Simmons, I think is deeply ingrained in the fitness and exercise, you know, realm throughout eternity.

Rebecca Washuta :  Yeah, for sure. And I like what you said about him being before his time. You know, I wasn’t thinking about it in the sense of himself. I was thinking about what he did for others, but how brave of him you’re right in the era of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Hulk Hogan.

Rebecca Washuta :  For him to come out and, you know, look like a kind of a scrawny guy who does yoga, right, and he’s happy and he’s got the crazy hair. And I think that he lived it. Right. And that that was really what was an inspiration to people.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, and, you know, in my line of work to in my world, group fitness sort of exploded after him I think too, you know, I mean, I can’t ever trace one thing back to a variable right? There’s always there’s always complexity here but the him being on TV and him having notoriety and doing sort of aerobics and being big on aerobics, kind of pushed other bigger group fitness things down the road. So he’s certainly a legend and sparked a lot of positive impact across the entirety of the fitness and health landscape.

Rebecca Washuta :  So big question will you be doing a Richard Simmons exercise this week in honor of him? If so, please record it.

Steve Washuta : I’m gonna I’m gonna do a tribute I’m gonna wear one of his outfits. The singlet Okay, good. Class, and it’s gonna be on YouTube or maybe I’ll just start normally fans I’ll release it on. Next, I want to talk about everyone is doing this wrong. And this is golf, specifically golf fitness people probably sick of me talking about golf.

Steve Washuta : I promise you it’s not golf. Specifically I’m talking about it’s golf, fitness or fitness that surrounds the golf world. A golf course if you walk it is six miles on average, anywhere from five and a half to sometimes seven and a half miles but let’s just go with six miles on average.

Steve Washuta : But majority of people I’m talking eight, this is an 8020 ratio. riding a car? Yeah, because it’s faster. Sometimes it’s because they’re lazy. And that’s because don’t want to be on the sun that long sometimes is because it’s sort of speeds up the courses.

Steve Washuta : There’s various reasons behind it. But you have all of these older men who are not in that good of shape. And they might even have to, you know, exercise and go to the gym to keep up. Which, which, if you’re already playing golf for four or five hours a day, then you got to go to the gym for an hour or two. That’s that’s your that’s your whole day.

Steve Washuta : Yeah. You just walked the course. You’re so healthy. Imagine someone said, Yeah. Every day, I get the swing this club, whatever. 75 to 120 times. And I’m walking on usually slightly hilly ground for smiles, you would be in amazing shape.

Rebecca Washuta :  Absolutely. Yeah. You know, walking is one of the most underrated physical activities, I go for walks every day, rain or shine. And one, you know, it has done wonders for my mental health.

Rebecca Washuta :  But physically, physically, there’s studies out right it does amazing things to prevent cognitive decline and dementia, very important in older populations, is great for your cardiovascular health is great to bring down stress. You know, I think people really turn their nose down at walking. But there’s an abundant amount of evidence about its health benefits.

Steve Washuta : I’ve said this before. And of course, again, like I just stated in the other topic, there’s a lot of variables that go with health and fitness. I don’t want to ever attribute one thing to one thing, especially time right, how old you are at any given time and what else you’re doing.

Steve Washuta : But I remember the best physical shape I’ve ever been in as far as vanity. Just vanity was when I was Caddying. I was Caddying pretty much in a summer I was about 22, every single day trying to I was trying to caddy basically six, six to seven days a week. And I would carry two bags. And I was walking around

Rebecca Washuta :  With away I don’t play golf, what is a golf bag way.

Steve Washuta : The very extreme, there’s extreme variance, but anywhere from 25 to 55 pounds. So let’s just go ahead and say 240 pound bags that are on my shoulders that I’m walking around with, right, and then you’re doing a little bit of running in between trying to look for balls doing whatever else, but a lot of it’s just walking with the facts.

Steve Washuta :  But you’re out there, you’re in the grass, you’re you’re you’re breathing in good air, you’re happy the sun’s hitting you, you can’t really eat that much. Maybe like Apple and something else while you’re because you’re working a quick protein bar. And I was in phenomenal shape just absolutely shredded like 8% body fat. And I think there’s something to be said that it was because of the caddy that at least added to that not just the working out in the fact that I was wanting to. Yeah,

Rebecca Washuta :  I mean, you were 22. But now I get it. And I think well, you know, the benefit there is you can be a 22 year old carrying 240 pound bags, or you can be a 72 year old and just walk. Right. So like take advantage of that. I think you know, people have this concept in their mind of what exercises and exercises, we taking an hour out of my day to go to the gym or go to a class.

Rebecca Washuta :  And that’s not it, right? When we look at Blue Zones, when we look at the longest lived populations in the world, they’re just moving all day. So if you’re out there on the golf course, take advantage of that, right, take that opportunity to get as many steps in as you can. Because it’s all cumulative, like you said, if you drew in six miles, three times a week, what does that look like over a year? You know, and the benefits are cumulative, they really add up.

Steve Washuta :  Yeah, that’s a good point. And then just to close this here, it’s also a great excuse. And it’s not one where you’re taking away from your family.

Rebecca Washuta :  What do you say?

Steve Washuta : And no, I mean, a lot of people think of it, there’s there’s like there’s memes everywhere, where it’s like, you leave the house for five hours as a golfer on the weekend. Your wife has passed or your girlfriend’s pissed, and the kids are there, whatever, but, but it would be more of a sort of an honest endeavor. If you’re like, hey, I actually am like getting exercise here. Like I’m doing something that’s exercise.

Steve Washuta : If you’re just driving around the car, like crushing 15 beers and smoking cigars. That’s not That’s not it’s just a little bit harder to convince people that you’re doing this for the sake of your health, not the same. 8.8 billion that is the estimated market value of this supplement by 2030. And this supplement is whey protein. What are your first thoughts when I say that whether it’s the financial side or the supplement side?

Rebecca Washuta :  I believe the numbers I think there’s a big protein push now in the health and fitness industry, right experts like Peter Atea and Mark Hyman really I don’t want to say exaggerating or really emphasizing the benefits of protein especially especially as you get older, for metabolic health and to prevent sarcopenia. And so I think people are listening. And you know, whether whether I agree with that or not, we’ll have to get into that in another episode.

Rebecca Washuta :  I think whey protein is a great option. You know, it’s different from its brother casein. So so both whey protein and casein are present in milk. Casein is more inflammatory, right. So that’s it. It has an amino acid profile that’s more similar to gluten. So people who have a gluten allergy typically will also have an issue with milk. Whey is different and actually has anti inflammatory effects they found in the body, it has more branched chain amino acids, so it’s better for for muscle building.

Rebecca Washuta :  So I am a fan of whey protein. But you know, I think the question here is not what it’s, it’s how, right so it’s how is is this whey protein produced. And you always want to look for whey protein from grass fed cows, because that’s going to affect the quality of the whey protein is the same thing goes for cows as it does for humans, right, what they eat impacts what’s going on in their body. And so that’s, that’s your safest bet. And that’s the way to go.

Steve Washuta : I’ll take this from a different angle, less of the nutrition side, I guess more of the economic side, because there’s a ton of money being pumped into this, you know, they’re getting, they’re giving consumers what they want, there’s, there’s a reason why they’re doing this, they see the trends coming, you need to be maybe even more mindful than you first were about what you’re buying.

Steve Washuta : Because ultimately, there’s going to be people who are just doing this to make a buck. So really do your due diligence on the brands, the brands that have been out there for a while the brands that I use, like gold standard, which has a really good backing has been in the bodybuilding industry for years.

Steve Washuta : Make sure you’re looking into this because this there’s nothing wrong with whey protein, but we know we understand the regulations behind supplements. And what is in that whey protein, you could only know if you sent that bottle out to an independent third party. Right? And not even the the next bottle you buy might have something else in it right?

Steve Washuta : So you don’t even test that individual bottle. So you just you really have to be careful. And then also, you know, know your body, but take some time to get adjusted to it. I know, I don’t take any synthetic, I guess you would call it protein outside of protein bars. I don’t do any powders. I don’t do any scoops.

Rebecca Washuta :  Oh really? Okay, do

Steve Washuta : I need drinks? Probably not for the last 234 Maybe maybe even four years now. Because I just, I couldn’t get adjusted to it. My body was there I had gastric issues. And a lot of people report them right away when they start taking them and they go away.

Rebecca Washuta :  Did you try different types of protein? Like was it just with the whey protein that you had? GI issues?

Steve Washuta : Any? Any powder protein, basically whole powder proteins?

Rebecca Washuta :  Did you try plant based protein? I did? Yeah. Yeah,

Steve Washuta : I tried everything from the a gold proteins to sort of vegan pea based proteins. And when I when I say have problems with my stomach, I don’t mean like I was curled up on the ground like calling nine one.

Rebecca Washuta :  I felt not great. You know, yeah, you know, when your body feels off? Yeah,

Steve Washuta : I knew what I ate. You know, I knew that something was off. And I don’t like that feeling. I have other options. And I just don’t care enough. A lot of people probably feel the same way I did. And it’s just such not a burden to them. And the and the sort of the risk benefit to them is worth it taking it. But for me, it’s not I don’t even want to feel slightly bloated at any time.

Rebecca Washuta :  And you think it was just the protein powder? Like when you say you have protein bars, what type of protein is that? It varies. But that doesn’t bother your stomach or that does and you just deal with it.

Steve Washuta : No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t whether it’s interesting, whether it’s whether it’s isolated or concentrated, whether its way whether it’s soy whether it’s P whether it’s a mixture, it doesn’t doesn’t bother my stomach. Yeah, now one would think okay, so what is the main major difference? So the major difference is the amount of water that you’re also taking in at the same time with the powder, right?

Steve Washuta : Because you can’t just ingest the powder without having water. So does that have something to do with it? Sure. I don’t know. But to me, it wasn’t like some I’m not like a biohacker so I didn’t waste any time it’s like okay, this this upsets my stomach I’m not gonna do it I’m gonna do something else and then I move on.

Rebecca Washuta :  Now when you you know have the benefit that you’re good in the kitchen you enjoy cooking you’ll get up in the morning you’ll cook yourself egg so I tell my clients you know eat real food whenever you can, if at all possible. I’d much rather you eat a meal than have a shake or a bar but life life gets busy life gets stressful so if you can’t you know it’s good to make sure you’re getting those nutrients in but always helpful food over overs synthetics for sure.

Steve Washuta : Pickle juice for hydration and recovery factor fiction. I used to do this in high school because I was told that it cured my cramping What are your thoughts?

Rebecca Washuta :  Well and you didn’t just do it like once it was like every game every game you’d go down with a cramp and then the trainer would come out and give you pickles you so what do you think from a from a firsthand experience? Do you feel like it helps I mean you should have been drinking it before the game before the cramping seven but you feel like.

Steve Washuta : It was a problem with it and I’ve done my research on cramping in general. My it’s hard to look at this from like that perspective because I because I know so much more now. Do I think it helped at that time? maybe a little bit placebo we, but I don’t necessarily think it helps.

Steve Washuta : No. I am not against using it for any reason I do think it helps with hydration. I just think people think that the main reason they’re cramping is because of hydration and I disagree with that sentiment.

Rebecca Washuta :  What what and yeah, why expand on that? Why do you think people are?

Steve Washuta : Okay, so first I’ll do like the practical and then I’ll talk about maybe more of the science behind it. So the practical reasons are, okay, what muscles cramp. If your body doesn’t dehydrated, specific parts of your body, right? So let’s say I’m going on a run.

Steve Washuta : No runner has ever had their bicep cramp. Right? No runner has ever had their trap cramp. These are all muscles. They all have cells in them, those cells have water in them. Right. So why why is my calf muscle cramping specifically?

Steve Washuta : Well, it’s because it’s overworked and overworked? In which way is it overwork the actual musculature overworked that’s not really what they found out, they found out it’s sort of the neurons that are being fired to to the area are in excess. So there was a doctor, his name is Dr. McKinnon.

Steve Washuta : And he basically did this, you know, I don’t know if it’s like longitudinal as far as how the duration but he you know, a lot of people were in the study. Yeah, he put together this elixir that had like, hot sauce, and capsicum and ginger and cinnamon these things that are like really like, Putin, right? And you would take a shot of that, while you like, in the midst of you thinking you are going to crap, right?

Steve Washuta : So I’m an exerciser. And I’m like, I think I’m on the verge of cramping. I know what it means. And that shot would take away the cramps. And, and the thought behind it. And the science behind it was that now my brain is focused on that this this potent flavor and taste, right. And it’s like my tongue is now sending signals to my brain. And it’s overriding those like extra nerves and neurons that are being sent to my calf, which is being overworked at the time.

Rebecca Washuta :  So it’s almost the equivalent of like, when you get a tip, you know, like something like when you’re when your thumb flinches or something like that, you’re just saying it’s like misfiring of neurons. And so you can sort of reset your nervous system by doing something extreme, like taking a shot like that.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, I mean, accessing fire of motor neurons is what I would call it now. Is that the only reason can that be done? If there was no physical activity and slight hydration or lack thereof involved? Right? These things are complex.

Steve Washuta : So I’m sure I’m sure there’s there’s a bunch of variables being thrown here together. But what I do think is important is going back to the practicality of it is that your your bicep will never cramp while you’re running. And the reason is, because you’re it’s

Rebecca Washuta :  not in use, right? Yes, you’re not using your bicep to run. And I

Steve Washuta : think we need to move to put that into perspective. Now, if we’re just talking about hydration for the sake of hydration. I’m not talking about cramps. Yeah. Pickle juice, you probably would know more about it than me just the ratios of maybe potassium and magnesium and salts, which are electrolytes. Am I right? Am I right?

Rebecca Washuta :  Like for sure. Yeah, yeah. So it has obviously, it’s very high in sodium for anyone who’s ever had pickle juice, and it does have small amounts of potassium and magnesium. So if you like pickle juice, excellent, it is a good way to stay hydrated. Because being dehydrated doesn’t just mean you’re deficient in water means you’re deficient in electrolytes, right? You’re sweating out electrolytes.

Rebecca Washuta :  They’re important for maintaining water balance in your body. So you do have to replenish them. I don’t know if it is the most optimal electrolyte drink, because it does have pretty low levels of potassium and magnesium. That being said, if you enjoy it, go for it. i There are a lot of good electrolyte drinks out there. I like the element tea.

Rebecca Washuta :  But yeah, people really need to think about that, you know, you get up in the morning and you have a glass of water or you you think you’re hydrating with water after a workout and you definitely sweat out more than water. And so it’s really important to to replenish those electrolytes and then in the same vein, you know, if you’re working out you’re obviously someone who’s concerned about their weight right and wants to at least manage their weight if not lose weight.

Rebecca Washuta :  And consuming adequate amounts of salt is really good for reducing your sugar cravings. And so I have clients that you know, are really craving snacks at night and I say have an element tea and I know it sounds counterintuitive if you’re craving sweet to have something salty, but it actually is really useful.

Steve Washuta : Let’s not look at this from the biohacker perspective. Let’s look at this just from the general public if Do I ever need to be worried about the amount of water I’m drinking being a bad thing or me flushing out electrolytes if I have sort of like an average diet where I’m where I am having salts, right so somebody who’s like, Yeah, I’m having lunch meat.

Steve Washuta : I’m having some ketchup on my eggs and I’m having these things that already have like salt in them. Do I need to be concerned that I’m drinking too much water and flushing everything out of my body? Or is that sort of like almost impossible?

Rebecca Washuta :  No, I mean, it is possible you can die from drinking too much water, but it is extremely, you know, you have to be like waterboarded you have to be drinking gallons and gallons, so, but it’s not just that the water you drink flushes out the electrolytes, it’s like through sweat and through, you know, through normal urine.

Rebecca Washuta :  So I it’s just it’s important for people to keep in mind that when you’re dehydrated, it’s about more than just water. So however you do it, some of my clients don’t like the electrolyte drinks. So you can put a little so you can start by putting salt in your coffee or tea in the morning just a little bit. You know, people are afraid of salt because there was this propaganda for a long time that it caused high blood pressure, when in reality, only 15% of the population has sodium induced hypertension.

Rebecca Washuta :  Sodium is actually you know, it’s a natural part of our bodies. It’s in the ocean, like there’s nothing more natural than sodium, right? Sugar was the culprit all these years and we’ve been blaming, we’ve been blaming salt. I’m a I’m a big fan of salt. So no, I don’t think you necessarily need to worry about it. But it’s something to stay mindful of.

Steve Washuta : I got this from our late mother, but I put a pinch of salt iodized salt and send a coffee more than a pinch in the top of my coffee. I use the percolator. Yeah, and it makes my coffee tastes so much better taste tastes, that’s a bitterness, right?

Steve Washuta : So yeah, and then the cinnamon also like kind of seeps through. I’ll use cinnamon sticks here and they want to have them if I don’t want to just use regular powdered cinnamon and it really does add a lot to your coffee for you know, just a quick pinch of two different things.

Rebecca Washuta :  I love that

Steve Washuta : That’s great spinal energetics. This is the latest in health nonsense. Are you familiar with it? Do you want me to take the lead on this?

Rebecca Washuta :  So I am familiar with it. There was a going winneth Paltrow had a special on Netflix a couple of years ago. It was like goop documentary. So it was her doing all sorts of health type stuff, right? She went to Mexico and did Ayahuasca not her but her team.

Rebecca Washuta :  They went to Alaska with Wim Hof. Wim Hof. And did that. Yeah. And did the you know, the ice plunges. So she did or her team did this final energetics and, you know, I, I know what you’re gonna say here. I know. You’re You’re a skeptic. So watch the documentary. But I think it’s I think it’s interesting. I truthfully, I don’t know how it works.

Rebecca Washuta :  But I will say this, I also can’t tell you how I can’t tell you how the internet works. I have been using the internet for the better part of my life. And if I were to explain to an alien, here’s how the internet works. I have no idea why. Like what waves things I’ve taken physics, I still cannot understand or explain to anyone how that works. Somebody can.

Steve Washuta : But you know, we’re who works with me. And he can he can break down every little nuance to internet works, how it works, right.

Rebecca Washuta :  But like, you know, 50 years ago, they couldn’t maybe here’s a better example. Some of the drugs on the market today. Work, right? There’s clinical trials, we’ve proven that they’re effective. And we don’t fully understand the mechanism of action. We don’t know they’re postulating they’re guessing.

Rebecca Washuta :  And they’ll they’ll say that if you go into the prescribing information and look in the fine print, they don’t know how it works. They’re not 100%. Sure. So I think certainty is not always. I don’t know, it doesn’t always have to be there. For me. I’m a little bit more Woo, I’m a little bit more open minded. So if it helps people, go for it, but don’t you know,

Steve Washuta : I don’t disagree. I think you’re I think you’re gonna be surprised. I do not disagree. Okay. My issue is in in what what you call the reason behind it working. And you have to call it a placebo? Because you can say that it works. But you can’t say that it works for any other reason. What a placebo until you have evidence otherwise.

Steve Washuta : Does that make sense? So as long as you’re calling a spade a spade, placebos are great. They work in a lot of different ways. We have a lot of instances you you’ve actually talked about it on this podcast before. Yeah, of like, the studies behind placebos can’t We can’t claim science where there is no science to be looked at.

Steve Washuta : Right? So if you’re going to make a large claim, there needs to be some sort of backing. So I can’t deny that it doesn’t work. Because if somebody’s telling me that it worked for them, then that’s great. But you then you not, not the literal you. They can’t tell me that it works because of the body and science and electric and electric pulse impulses and energy and all of these things.

Steve Washuta : And I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves just because because our audience probably don’t know what we’re talking about. apologetics his first you’ll see these videos it was they were made by a chiropractor, a female chiropractor. Her name evades me, but I’ll try to pull up on the screen real quick. Dr. Sarah Jean, and she’s the she’s the founder of spinal energetics.

Steve Washuta : Basically, you’ll see people laying flat on their back on what looks like a normal chiropractor or massage table. And there’s people waving their hands over them as if they were giving them a you know, a virtual massage. It’s like Reiki. Have you heard of Reiki similar? And their bodies are moving in all different ways and they’re saying they’re changing their energies and they’re taking away pain from their bodies.

Steve Washuta : Now, I will say whether this is is offensive or not to people on either side of this. It doesn’t look much different in me than that when you go to an evangelical church and a pastor has his hands over someone who’s in a wheelchair saying you must stand up and rise, right? Yes, it has that same sort of performative energy where both people have to be involved in the performance in order for it to work. If if I can lay down and they can do it to me, and I’m not involved in the performance, then I’ll believe it.

Rebecca Washuta :  Well, that well, that’s the test. We gotta we gotta get you over to spiritual energetics and see if this thing is real.

Steve Washuta : Because let me tell you some things I could not do. If you gave me an LSD tab. I couldn’t be like, Man, nothing’s happening. I promise you, I would trip. Right? So. So if I stood there, and I didn’t feel anything afterwards, it’s like well do if both people have to be involved in this process, then we at least have to admit there’s a little bit if not a continual amount of placebo going on?

Rebecca Washuta :  I wonder if there is someone out there who could explain it in terms of physics, right, like particle physics, I didn’t get that far. I took physics, you know, 100, whatever I needed to do for pre med in college. But, you know, there’s a lot that you and I probably don’t understand, right? I don’t even think I can explain equals MC square, like, I don’t know.

Rebecca Washuta :  So I wonder if there’s someone out there who could actually explain it in terms of atoms and electrons and neutrons. And it would be interesting to hear someone at least postulate about like, what, what potentially could be happening? Because there’s no debate that we’re made up of atoms, right?

Rebecca Washuta :  We’re made up of energy. They’re the majority of our body, right? Because if you look at what an atom is, it’s mostly space, right? It’s the electron and then and then, obviously, nucleus, and then it’s space, and then the electrons. So I don’t understand enough about it. But I’d be really interested to get like a professionals assessment of it. Yeah.

Steve Washuta : Well, what time will tell we will do dive into this and see if there’s some sort of person who has the right science background, who could at least, you know, strong man or steal, man, my argument and just be like, well, this actually, you know, because of this energy and the heat of this forest, and this this, it could be xy and z.

Steve Washuta : I don’t think anyone can prove it, but they could at least sort of throw a barrier between what I’m saying and what they’re saying. But also, I think part of the part of the issue is, if that was, if that was true, they should use that language, because the language is always really woowoo. It’s just too it’s so woowoo.

Steve Washuta : It’s like, well, if you if you have science to back it, then you use the science that’s going to help you increase your, your notoriety, and the your Kevin James fasting claim, I will tell you what he said and see if you buy it. He said before one of his movies, he actually said he’s done this multiple times. That for 41 days, you drink nothing but water with, like sea salt in it, and you lost 60 pounds. Do you believe that? That’s possible? How unhealthy is that if that is possible? Or is he just completely bullshit? Yeah,

Rebecca Washuta :  I watched the clip. Because I was like, There’s no way so he did say that. I think I think it’s possible. I think if you’re going to lie, you usually don’t go to extremes like that, right? If you’d be like, Oh, I’ve been walking a lot or doing some cardio, right? You’re not going to go out on a limb where people are really going to question you. So that’s why I think it’s more than just him being on ozempic.

Rebecca Washuta :  Fasting for 40 days, and he said he’s like when I locked my brain on something, I can just do it. Obviously, it’s it’s not something that is safe for the general public. It’s definitely something that needs to be done under medical supervision. He didn’t say that. So I don’t I’m assuming he was, you know, working with a doctor or dietitian to do this. It can be dangerous, it can be really dangerous to fast for that long.

Rebecca Washuta :  On the flip side, if you are working with a you know healthcare professional and a healthcare team, there are these you know, retreats and wellness spas, you can go to where they can put you on a water only fast. And I know on the surface that might sound crazy.

Rebecca Washuta :  But there’s been a ton of research that has come out about how beneficial fasting is specifically for autoimmune conditions like one for weight loss, obviously, but for autoimmune conditions for MS for lupus, all different types of autoimmune conditions, because fasting actually is immunosuppressive so it’s going to you know, reduce reduce the immune system.

Rebecca Washuta :  And people have actually gone into remission and I’m talking about, you know, clinical trials out of Stanford. This isn’t woowoo stuff. The other thing that fasting does is it stimulates autophagy in your body, right? So that’s when your body is sort of like a self cleanup and it goes around and it can get rid of senescence. cells. I’m not sure if you’ve heard of senescence cells, they’re basically like zombie cells in the body, right? So they’ve died.

Rebecca Washuta :  They’re releasing these inflammatory cytokines. And they’re just kind of hanging out, and they’re causing all these issues. So when you are fasting, your body goes around and gets rid of them. So there can be a lot of benefits. I feel like 40s is extreme. And then if you listen to the end of the of the clip, he says, but again, it all back.

Rebecca Washuta :  The other idea is, if you’re doing this to lose weight, it’s not sustainable, because the minute you start eating again, you’re going to gain all that weight back. So you know, I think there’s, this is super extreme, I definitely wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. But I think there, there are a lot of health benefits with other versions like intermittent fasting or like a fasting mimicking diet.

Steve Washuta : All great insights. I just wanted to add, I think there’s a lot of people who fast almost looks like a, like a mental challenge.

Rebecca Washuta :  Yeah.

Steve Washuta : Is that good? Is that bad? I don’t know. But I can tell that it’s more of a mental challenge. Can I do this for a certain period of time and not eat? Yes, it’s healthy. But I’m really just challenging myself. Maybe that’s good. Maybe that’s bad. I’m not judging. I do though. Wish

Rebecca Washuta :  Maybe you ever fasted for a significant amount of time? Yeah. But

Steve Washuta : for me, what I was just getting to is, it’s more of an art than a science, meaning, I don’t say like, I’m gonna fast for 38 hours from Friday, this time to just, I just like, sometimes I’m like, I wake up in the morning, I don’t really feel that hungry. Maybe I maybe I’m doing something that day where I don’t have like access to food really easily.

Steve Washuta : And like, in the moment, I make the decision to just fast. I’m like, Okay, I’ve gone, I’ve gone this long, I didn’t eat, I’m just going to continue to not eat for the rest of the day, I’m just going to eat in the morning. unless for some odd reason. I feel like, I’m not gonna be able to sleep tonight because my stomach is going to be so empty. Yeah, so those are my fasting instances where it just sort of happens. I’m like, Okay, this is a good time to do it. I don’t, I don’t over plan the fasts, to each their own.

Steve Washuta : We all run differently. But I do wish there was a component of that, where people just said, I’m gonna, I’m gonna feel this out, like, how do I feel in the morning, I don’t always eat meat in the morning. And if I feel like, hey, I can go this whole day without eating, maybe then you challenge yourself rather than be so strict and regimented with your fasting times.

Rebecca Washuta :  Yeah, and I want to build on what you said, as far as it being like an art and really, you know, a show of, I don’t know, mental toughness. But there’s there’s also evidence that says, if you are hungry, you’re actually a little bit more focused, right?

Rebecca Washuta :  Because if you think about, like, from an evolutionary point of view, if, if I have any, in in in a couple of days, and I’m very hungry, I’m going to be like, looking at my surroundings, and you know, my eyes are gonna be open, I’m gonna be focused on whatever comes nearby that I can eat. Right? So there are a lot of biohackers.

Rebecca Washuta :  And you know, people in Silicon Valley that say that they fast for like, the mental clarity. And I’ve never fasted long enough to experience that. I don’t think I’ve, you know, I’ve done intermittent fasting, I’ve done calorie restriction here and there.

Rebecca Washuta :  But when you get into the the one, one day plus fast, they said, there’s this like level of mental clarity that you achieve. That’s pretty remarkable. So just another, you know, another benefit if you’re someone who can do it, but again, it’s not for everyone. And the results don’t last right. It’s not it’s not a it’s not a long term solution for anybody.

Steve Washuta : My new hydrogen water bottle,

Rebecca Washuta :  Oooh,

Steve Washuta : Do you have it? I have it. We’re gonna start with the bad. The bad is, you’re supposed to press this button, and it goes through the process, which will I’ll explain in a second. Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure it’s broken, because I’ve only had it for four days, but this light should be blue for three minutes during this process. And lately, it’s been turning off after 15 seconds. But right there, so don’t bother.

Rebecca Washuta :  Maybe because you only have a little bit of water in there. So it could be

Steve Washuta : Or could be because I bought the cheapest one that you could on Amazon.

Rebecca Washuta :   Okay, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, that doesn’t work.

Steve Washuta : The more expensive one, but let me just read off what the what the science says a little bit. Yeah, for sure. For the listeners who have no idea what hydrogen water is the kind that I have, and the only the only kind that so far that I’ve read that you should get is the PE M or the SPE, okay, that is the proton exchange membrane that helps with the electrolysis of water.

Steve Washuta : And then the the SP is the solid polymer electrolyte electrolyte. And it’s that’s just that’s how that’s how it basically takes the hydrogen into your water, right? There’s a there’s cheaper versions of this, that do it where there could potentially be chlorine in there and other things building up where this version does not have that.

Steve Washuta : Most of the water bottles now do have this one, but you just want to be positive, you have the P SPE versions of these, not the cheaper ones. Now the benefits of hydrogen water, I will, I’ll let you talk about, but first I just want to talk about the technology. You simply you simply press a button, it adds the hydrogen to your water.

Steve Washuta : And after the light goes off, which is supposed to be three minutes, your water is now you know, extra hydrogenated now, can I claim that every single bottle is doing what it’s supposed to do? Or has the amount that is supposed to have in it? Or that the bottle itself is keeping in all of those gases? And they don’t just escape?

Steve Washuta : They don’t stay in the water? I don’t know. That’s way above my paygrade? I don’t know. But what I do know is it’s cheap enough. Where I think it’s worth a trial. Yeah, for sure. Finance behind the hydrogen water, but you can talk about the actual science behind it.

Rebecca Washuta :  How long? Curious how long have you had it? How long have you been using it?

Steve Washuta : Probably a little bit less than a week, five or six days, but very, very often. Did I feel more energy the first few days when I was drinking it? Yes. But I will also say I was drinking more water than I usually did. Ah, it’s really hard. If you’re not comparing one to one.

Rebecca Washuta :  That’s a Yeah, that’s interesting, because you know, they’ve done studies getting people to drink more water. And one of the one of the best ways is giving them something novel, right? Giving them a new water bottle, it’s going to dry your eyes and you’re gonna you’re gonna wind up drinking more water.

Rebecca Washuta :  But the energy thing is interesting, because yeah, one of the biggest benefits is that it’s supposed to improve physical activity and endurance, like it’s supposed to reduce fatigue. And so I wonder, as someone who works out often if you’ve, if you’ve felt that even if it’s placebo, like after workouts, are you covering different or can you go longer?

Steve Washuta : My feeling was much more just day to day, clarity, no, 2pm, Crash’s just that sort of energy as opposed to like, doing a few more reps in the gym. Yeah. So that’s, that’s what I took from it. But again, that’s, you know, that’s just five or six days of it in and then how much of it is placebo?

Steve Washuta : How much of it is me drinking just more water in general, but I do know that there’s now literally 1000s of studies that have been done on taking in this hydrogenated water and how it is better for athletes and for clarity of mind and everything else.

Steve Washuta : But that doesn’t mean that my water has that amount of hydrogen in it, to that extent where it’s going to give me that benefit, or, or if the average person ends up drinking enough. Right? If you if you use it, I imagine what it is, you only get one canister of this, which is like 16 ounces a day. It might not be worthwhile,

Rebecca Washuta :  Right? Yeah, yeah, there needs to be more. There are a lot of studies out there, there needs to be more clarification on how much you need to drink. And then they also haven’t been able to pin down. Okay, here’s one, they haven’t been able to pin down the mechanism of action with this either.

Rebecca Washuta :  So you know, the good news is, with everything I read, there are no safety concerns. So if you’re willing to spend the money, I think there’s there’s only an upside, it makes sense that hydrogen acts as an antioxidant, which is going to reduce inflammation, it’s found to be you know, cardio protective. It has.

Steve Washuta : We’ll see, I was I was under the impression they didn’t know that mechanism. So I thought it was because free radicals which you know, are not bonded to anything, and that extra hydrogen automatically bonds to free radicals, which means you have less free radicals in your body.

Rebecca Washuta :  It’s not. So that’s how antioxidants work in general. Like that’s how vitamin C works, right? It’s going to bind to the free radicals and reduce oxidative stress. But it’s not widely agreed upon by experts that that’s exactly how this is working. So it’s thought to be an antioxidant.

Rebecca Washuta :  But I think there still needs to be more more research in the field. But in general, there’s no downside, right other than then money out of your pocket, it even has, you know, been shown to have anti cancer effects and it can improve your sleep, there’s, you know, there’s countless studies, so I think it’s definitely worth a try.

Steve Washuta : I’ve had multiple podcasts episodes where I had on people who were into this water space, and a Lima water was one of them that comes to mind, there’s been another, at least one or two others. And I think there is going to be huge changes in the next 10 or 15 years. You know, these people were really really big science backgrounds, who were going out of their way to quit their jobs, and start these giant water companies is not just because they think there’s $1 to be made, right?

Steve Washuta : They have the scientific belief that water is so important, and there has to be better water, right? Yeah, not better water meaning like we’re gonna find better water than we currently have. But there we can make it Yeah. And there’s there’s Gotta be levels to this. So why not, you know, take all the science we can to make sure that that happens.

Steve Washuta : So I think there’s gonna be huge strides made in this one of those things where we look back, maybe, you know, when our kids are 20 or 30 and be like, I can’t believe we were drinking sometimes tap water, like, I cannot believe it. And we’re gonna have this like, specialized water that everybody drinks. And I hope you know, the, the corporate interest don’t take over and I hope this just becomes a model of health where we do find the best water and every single person has access to it.

Rebecca Washuta :  That’s cool. Yeah, you should make a note like let’s check in a month or two and see how you feel and see if you notice anything different because it’s not just, you know, physic physically good for you. It also has been shown right to improve mental clarity. liver detox if you’re not drinking so, so I’m, I’m interested to see how it goes.

Steve Washuta : So far. I’m not very happy in the last six days since I’ve got this water bottle I’ve developed conjunctivitis. Am I right?

Rebecca Washuta :  Oh, no. Well, you can’t even tell is it from? Is it from your daughter? Mackenzie?

Steve Washuta : I’m blaming it on the water bottle of course, right? I know. There’s no science behind that. But we don’t we don’t need the science. It’s just like spinal energetics. I’m gonna blame the the hydrogen energy getting into my eyeball and causing this issue I can because he doesn’t have it. My daughter, so I don’t know what it’s from.

Steve Washuta : Exactly. To be honest with you changing changing diapers and rubbing your eyes. I don’t have a formal diagnosis. I’m diagnosing myself. What also could have happened is I had a small patch of like eczema near my eye, and I use hydrocortisone 2.5%. Well, you can’t use them on your face. No, I’m wondering if at nighttime when I put it on your rubbed it into my eyeball or into my eyeball. And that’s what’s happening.

Rebecca Washuta :  So don’t use steroids on your face. That’s no good. I want to go back to the water for a second. I have two questions. One is does it taste any different? And two is on the topic of water? What water are you putting in there? What’s your water purification situation at home,

Steve Washuta : I was told that you should only put higher and water in there because the higher end water has the minerals that are going to somehow synergistically work with the hydrogen ions. Again, this could all be nonsense, but this is what I was told. So this is the path that I’m following. It can’t hurt you, right? I buy these giant jugs of like, I think the brand in Texas is called Ozark.

Steve Washuta : It’s just like, you know, fresh spring water from you know, Target or Walmart or wherever else like it’s not Yeah. It tastes delicious. And I’m sure that has extra minerals in it. That’s why it tastes good. And that’s that’s what I use. Can I taste a difference? 100% Yes, I’m very, I’m very confident that if you were to give me that water poured out into something else versus tap water versus Britta versus that that same water before going in there, that I wouldn’t be able to taste the difference.

Rebecca Washuta :  Can you describe it? The tastes are now it’s just I know it’s hard to describe the taste of water, but does it feel more? Like

Steve Washuta : I think I have a good adjective for this. Okay. And some people might get it some people go this guy’s crazy. Like, oh Czone like, you know, like sometimes when you’re like the like when you’re out you’re like outside, and there’s like fog or there’s mist. Uh huh. Or just really heavy rain. Yeah, like a really heavy rain smell in the air.

Rebecca Washuta :  That’s really interesting. All right, I do want to tell you about your water situation this this will be helpful for everyone so if possible, you want to buy nationally distributed water because water that is like bottled in Texas and sold in Texas water that’s bottled in state and sold in state is not subject to federal regulations. So I don’t know what kind of regulations they have there in Texas.

Rebecca Washuta :  But you know, it’s not going to be monitored or or tested in the same way that say awkwafina is or Dasani is right something that’s made in Newark and distributed everywhere. So that’s something to keep in mind and then spring water is good but you just have to also be careful about fracking because you know the the water can be contaminated.

Rebecca Washuta :  There’s not a lot of good options right because then there’s the microplastics there’s there’s an issue with everything you can get into but like a quick tip is if you look on the back of the bottle and it says made and distributed in Florida then I try to avoid that and I just tried to go for the the national nationally

Steve Washuta : Are much more hippie dippie than you we do a role reversal for me. Water is all about taste. I taste a bunch of different waters. Yeah, and I don’t I don’t care if there happens to be pesticides in it if the water is delicious. I trust my instincts and that’s the water that I drink.

Rebecca Washuta :  Okay. All right.

Steve Washuta : But no, that is good information. I will look at that. I mean, I have no idea. If it is bottled in Texas my assumption is it is because I think it’s a Texas brand. So that is that is good information to know to see or at least look up your ex’s requirements different in the bottling process, then the federal government are they less stringent, more stringent the same? Yeah.

Steve Washuta : Longer warm ups, please. I am angry with everybody in the fitness community just for not talking about warming up enough, right I, I know it’s boring, warm ups, nobody wants to talk about it. Everyone wants to tell you the perfect way to do a deadlift or you know which muscles are firing when you’re doing this or that new cheat code to make your triceps look good, or just these little nuances of how to, you know, flare the rope out at the end to make sure that your bicep is engaged, but nobody wants to tell you basically how to not get injured.

Steve Washuta : And the most important part of exercise is a warmup. I believe people do not warm up long enough. I believe people make warm up too much of a science not enough of an art, which we’ve talked about just before and another topic. And I believe people do not prime muscles, and instead of just warm up. So let’s go through that sort of backwards. Priming of a muscle, or of muscles or of exercises means I’m doing a version of the exercise with no weight prior to doing the exercise.

Steve Washuta : So for example, you might say, I want to go to the gym today and work out my back muscles on my arm muscles, Steve. So I’m going to do some backroads I’m gonna do some bicep curls, I’m just tricep extensions, I’m going to do some shoulder presses. But your warmup is 12 minutes on the treadmill? Well, that doesn’t make any sense. You haven’t warmed up any of the musculature in which you’re going to be using on that given day. So could that warm up have started with 12 minutes?

Steve Washuta : Sure. But there needs to be a continuation where you’re warming up those specific muscles. So what do you do? Well, first, it’s usually just getting blood flow to the area. How do you do that you could do a range of motion things, right? If it’s your shoulders, moving your arms around in circles.

Steve Washuta : If it’s something like your triceps and your chest, you’re doing a lighter version of whatever you’re going to be doing. So maybe for a female like you who’s not going to be benching to 25, you just simply go up against the wall on an incline. And you do like wall push ups. Yeah, right. So you’re working those muscles, you’re getting not only like the neurons firing there, but you’re getting the blood flow, and you’re getting those muscles primed and ready to go before the exercise.

Steve Washuta : Some people just simply use really lightweight. So if you were doing again, just to use chest press as the example, instead of using, let’s say my first set would usually be with 60 pound dumbbells, when maybe I do my first set with 25 pound dumbbells, and I go really slow, focused on full range of motion. This needs to be done more often. And then moving down to the art, not the science.

Steve Washuta : Don’t go into a warm up being like this is my warmup go into a warm saying, I’m going to warm up until my body feels like I’m ready to go. Yeah, because you’re going to be different on any given day of what how your body is going to respond to something, some days, you’re going to need four or five more minutes of a warm up.

Steve Washuta : And some days you won’t, and you’ll be primed to go. So make it more of an art less of a science, make sure you’re priming those muscles, and make it a centerpiece of your workout for exercise and like should be injury prevention.

Rebecca Washuta :  I love that. Yeah, you made a good point in the beginning that people don’t do it because it’s boring, right? Like the Listen present company included. I definitely don’t warm up as much as I should. And you know, it’s the same thing with nutrition. Everyone wants the sexy fat everyone wants the hit training, right?

Rebecca Washuta :  Everyone wants, like, the quick thing that’s gonna get them in shape, make them look great. No one wants to do the basics, warming up stretching, drinking enough water, right? eating vegetables, like here are the here are the the the core building blocks that you need. And nobody wants to do that. Because it’s not. It’s not a fad. It’s not, you know, it’s not interesting. But the boring stuff matters.

Steve Washuta : There’s two things that you can do well, and almost everybody likes one of these two things. So that’s why I’m bringing these two things up. If you don’t like one of these two things, while you have to think outside the box. Almost everybody likes to dance. And almost everybody likes or and or box or kickbox or fight. Right.

Steve Washuta : Those are two things right? Maybe guys are a little bit more predisposition to like fighting related things. And girls have a little bit more predisposition dependent upon your specific demeanor to dance. Those are both fantastic warmups, where you’re working every single muscle base.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, right. So if you just stand in place, and do like kickboxing, and if you just stand in place and do some form of dancing, where you’re using your arms and legs, which is most dancing, right for long enough, your your that is like a really good, low scale, easy to do warm up for everybody. I would say dancing around for eight minutes. is five times better than going on the treadmill for eight minutes.

Rebecca Washuta :  Because you’re using more muscles. Yeah, for sure muscles.

Steve Washuta : You’re moving in all the different directions, right? So we’re moving in transverse plane which is more circular and And you do that, obviously in shadow boxing or kickboxing, and I think you can make it fun, right? It doesn’t, it doesn’t have to be not fun. I think that’s, that’s an excuse. And I do.

Steve Washuta : And I also think, ultimately, we want to get the most out of our workout, the way you get the most out of your workout always, is to have all those muscles primed, so that you can really push it again to doing less sets, because you can really push it. So if you jump into your exercises too quick, you’re going to be sort of behind the eight ball and your workout and your workout is going to have to maybe take longer and it’s not going to be as productive. So just do your warmup people.

Rebecca Washuta :  Yeah, well, I’ve seen your I’ve seen your warm up videos, Kickboxing shadowboxing. So why don’t you give us one while you’re dancing next time? Can you can you record that? Can I get a see Washuta dance form of video?

Steve Washuta : I’ll do. I’ll do the Richard Simmons aerobic workout video, dance video and then Richard Simmons kickboxing video and I’ll release them all

Rebecca Washuta :  Amazing! you’ll you’ll inspire you’ll inspire a lot of people.

Steve Washuta : Lastly, here just a quick PSA. Stop chasing young clients, I’m sure you might agree with this young clients for three different reasons. They don’t have money. They’re so easy to work with that you’re not challenging yourself. And you can gain a lot of wisdom from older people, when you start working from older people just in general, right?

Steve Washuta : You don’t have to, I’m not telling anyone if you’re if your absolute love is to work with 19 year olds with eating disorders with with 16 year olds who are trying to get to their high school football team do what you love, right? Everyone has a niche. What I’m telling you is if you’re if you’re someone struggling in the fitness world and nutrition world, in the yoga world, it’s probably because you don’t have enough older clients.

Steve Washuta : The older clients talk, you do a good job, they’re gonna get you other clients, younger clients don’t do that. To build your business, specifically, you go after older clients, you’re making a mistake, if if you’re not going after the population between 50 and 75. And you’re really trying to get the population who is 18 to 30 100%.

Rebecca Washuta :  Yeah, I wish that you had shared that wisdom with me when I was getting started. Because you know, I thought, I’m going to look for clients who are like me. So I’m going to look for clients who are like young women, maybe they want to lose weight before before their wedding, maybe they’re looking to lose weight after having their babies. And I do still work with with some some of that population.

Rebecca Washuta :  But older folks, one have money and don’t bat an eye at your prices, right? They have time. Some of them are retired, or they don’t have kids in the house, they need to, you know, take to practice in school every day. Just this past year I’ve been working with, I would say 90% of the clients I’m working with are men in between the ages of 50 and 70.

Rebecca Washuta :  And they’re my favorite clients, they listen, they have time to do the things. There’s so much wisdom to share. It’s been it’s been really great. And I wish I had thought about that earlier on in my career because it’s been so much easier. It’s been so much easier and so much more enjoyable for me to work with an older population.

Steve Washuta : Yeah, I think there needs to be a huge change. This is like more of a my sort of economics brain in society where younger people are helping out older people, I think we there’s a lot of jobs that that can be created. You think about older people from let’s say, transport perspective, they’re so reliant after a certain age on their family having to bring them from point A to point B, right?

Steve Washuta : They don’t make me feel I know, people are like, well, you have Uber, but they don’t feel comfortable using Uber or this. They don’t know how to use Uber, because they’re taught how to use electronics. It’s another whole industry where it’s like, why are we so focused on building out these platforms that help 18 year olds, it’s like, we need to build out also technology platforms that are really easy to use and useful for for seniors, people, people of a certain age.

Steve Washuta : So I think there’s a there’s a whole industry, that’s going to be changing now, now that there’s a big group of those seniors waiting there, and there’s not a lot of jobs to be had down the chain. Well that you’re gonna see that turning around where we’re building out platforms, electronic platforms for seniors, there’s going to be right more rideshare things for seniors, there’s going to be more personal training and nutrition for for that population. And I think it’s going to be great for everybody.

Rebecca Washuta :  I hope so. Yeah. Because it’s you know, how much information and wisdom is lost because we you know, don’t give our our senior citizens the respect they deserve. And it’s cultural, right? Because other other countries like Japan, it’s very different. So yeah, I think it’s a mindset shift. But I think it’s definitely moving in that direction here which is great.

Steve Washuta : Well back thank you for your time. As a reminder, everyone if you’re listening to this, you could also watch this episode on the YouTubes that’s what people say that YouTube episode shorter podcasts. Thanks for joining me.

Rebecca Washuta :  Thank you

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